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Snake
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09/26/2008
09:16:29
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Originally posted by IeVuL-oNe
On the other side of things. I just ripped my Skyclad collection...So...IF we are allowed... the whole discography can be uploaded this w-e.
Heh...thanks for saving me the keystrokes and making my case for me, Clint. 
RE: Long songs - doesn't really matter to me which genre it is "Epic" length songs don't belong on the station. This is *supposed to be* radio and 25 minutes of self-indulgent wank is 22 minutes too much IMO. I remember Keith Richard saying of bands like Yes/Genesis something like "if you can't say what you have to say in three minutes, you need to go back to the studio and try again".
The original intent of the x/z voting system for requests was to cut down on the number of excessively long songs playing on the stream. The idea was that if a request took a day to bump up the playlist to where it got ahead of the multiple number of tracks sit in the queue that are shorter, it would probably play in the evening when people were trying to sleep anyway.
Especially with drone, we really don't need that stuff playing for 25 minutes or even 10 minutes. It just doesn't belong on "radio". From time to time when I hear something that is excessively long or "ambient" I will pull it. Its not that I hate the stuff, it just isn't good radio.
I'm looking into what we are playing a lot more closely right now. I already intened on removing the excessively long tunes. I'll just bump that up on my "to do" list. |
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Sortiment
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09/26/2008
14:02:38
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Originally posted by Snake
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Originally posted by IeVuL-oNe
On the other side of things. I just ripped my Skyclad collection...So...IF we are allowed... the whole discography can be uploaded this w-e.
Heh...thanks for saving me the keystrokes and making my case for me, Clint.
You do not owe us anything, not even an explanation, I just wonder why? |
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Sortiment
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09/26/2008
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Oh and your Keith Richard quote reminded me of another:
"Sex is very strange, sometimes it takes three minutes at other times it is just over real fast"
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Delirium Tremens
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09/26/2008
20:09:52
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| Sabbat (Jpn) > Sabbat (UK) |
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Snake
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09/26/2008
20:22:04
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Originally posted by Sortiment
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Originally posted by Snake
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Originally posted by IeVuL-oNe
On the other side of things. I just ripped my Skyclad collection...So...IF we are allowed... the whole discography can be uploaded this w-e.
Heh...thanks for saving me the keystrokes and making my case for me, Clint.
You do not owe us anything, not even an explanation, I just wonder why?
I think I did a very long explanation on Skyclad at one time as well. It was at the height of the homosexuality on the stream....around the time when Blind Gaydian had Night At the Fagbar out. No...they bands having nothing to do with each other, but I really hate Skyclad...but I'd have to look it up to tell you what pushed me over the edge with them and that post is archived and I can't view it right now. |
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Sortiment
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09/27/2008
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OK I have just often wondered because I have never seen it as a very gay band, it is not power metal either. Personal taste is of course another matter. But to be honest with you I actually thought it was some kind of mistake, but that just shows that taste and perception of what is gay is rather different. I would vote fx Elvenking out any second if it was a matter of gayness
Thanks for taking your time anyway  |
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Sortiment
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09/27/2008
14:24:57
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Originally posted by Delirium Tremens
Sabbat (Jpn) > Sabbat (UK)
WHAT!?!?! That is like comparing Iron Maiden with Limp Bizkit  |
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Delirium Tremens
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09/27/2008
14:34:07
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Originally posted by Sortiment
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Originally posted by Delirium Tremens
Sabbat (Jpn) > Sabbat (UK)
WHAT!?!?! That is like comparing Iron Maiden with Limp Bizkit
That is the dumbest statement I've heard this year. |
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Sortiment
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09/27/2008
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| Thank you, that was rather easy to achieve |
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Bwana Dik
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09/27/2008
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Originally posted by Delirium Tremens
Sabbat (Jpn) > Sabbat (UK)
Both are essential.
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Originally posted by Snake
I think I did a very long explanation on Skyclad at one time as well. It was at the height of the homosexuality on the stream....around the time when Blind Gaydian had Night At the Fagbar out. No...they bands having nothing to do with each other, but I really hate Skyclad...but I'd have to look it up to tell you what pushed me over the edge with them and that post is archived and I can't view it right now.
Maybe it was hearing "The Great Brain Robbery". I remember you mentioning how gay you thought that was at one point or another 
Anyways, about removing long tracks, I can understand ambient/drone type stuff, but other than that, where do you draw the line? "At War With Satan"? "The Rime Of The Ancient Mariner"? Besides, just crack down on the rule that tracks need the full amount of votes required before they can play again. That way people who like the longer stuff and donate just like those whose attention span is shorter than 777's penis don't get discriminated against. Besides, yeah, it's radio, but this isn't pop, it's metal.
Of course, that's just my opinion, and I'm not going to make a big stink about this because what time I have to spend behind the computer I'd rather listen to my own library than the stream anyway. I prefer listening to full albums. So it's not going to affect me too much. But since no one else is standing up to be counted... I thought at least Sortiment... |
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Sortiment
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09/27/2008
15:02:44
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Damn Stink, of course you can count on me It would be a sad day indeed when we could no longer listen to one of the best tunes by Iron Maiden, Rime of the Ancient Mariner. Considering other long tracks, I can easily understand why static noise and "hidden tracks" with 12 minutes of waiting time has to go, but where else to draw the line? The voting system should make it sure that they do not get played too often AND it could be a possibility to even make the requirements for long tracks even harsher, yes?
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Thor Bear
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09/27/2008
15:16:10
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Originally posted by Sortiment
OK I have just often wondered because I have never seen it as a very gay band, it is not power metal either.
I would vote fx Elvenking out any second if it was a matter of gayness
Why do people always hint that it's ok to leave bands out because of "gaynes" or because it's power metal? I know it's not the most loved genre here, but I refuse to be regarded as a stepchild in my own family. Some bands don't fit the stream and that's understandable and fine, but please don't make it a contest of which power metal bands to leave out... I know you like power metal as well Sorti, so it's nothing personal. |
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Sortiment
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09/27/2008
15:51:29
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Originally posted by Thor Bear
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Originally posted by Sortiment
OK I have just often wondered because I have never seen it as a very gay band, it is not power metal either.
I would vote fx Elvenking out any second if it was a matter of gayness
Why do people always hint that it's ok to leave bands out because of "gaynes" or because it's power metal? I know it's not the most loved genre here, but I refuse to be regarded as a stepchild in my own family. Some bands don't fit the stream and that's understandable and fine, but please don't make it a contest of which power metal bands to leave out... I know you like power metal as well Sorti, so it's nothing personal.
This was strictly about folk metal bands, one of my favourite genres, and one that is often considered just as gay as power metal. I like that too, just as I like a lot of bands from every singe genre of metal. Therefore it is important for me to tell you that I am not for kicking bands out (not that it is in any way my call) due to gayness, I was merely saying that if that was the criteria, I would leave out, say, Elvenking before Skyclad. |
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axeVictim
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09/27/2008
16:42:57
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Originally posted by stinkfoot
Anyways, about removing long tracks, I can understand ambient/drone type stuff, but other than that, where do you draw the line? "At War With Satan"? "The Rime Of The Ancient Mariner"? Besides, just crack down on the rule that tracks need the full amount of votes required before they can play again. That way people who like the longer stuff and donate just like those whose attention span is shorter than 777's penis don't get discriminated against. Besides, yeah, it's radio, but this isn't pop, it's metal.
I agree with cracking down on the rule that long tracks should need the full amount of votes required to play. It appears to me that, at present, if a track in the 6min+ queue has more votes than the tracks at the top of the regular queue it gets played, regardless of how many votes it has actually got. This means that, if the regular queue is short, very long tracks can get played with a small number votes. I once saw a 13min. long track, supposedly needing 14 votes, get played with just 4 votes. A tightening up of the votes required rule could be one way of restricting the number of long tracks played on the stream without pulling too many from the bible.
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axeVictim
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09/27/2008
17:14:32
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Originally posted by Sortiment
The voting system should make it sure that they do not get played too often AND it could be a possibility to even make the requirements for long tracks even harsher, yes?
I was thinking along those lines too. I don't know if this is possible but maybe the number of times an individual can vote for a particular track could be restricted in some way. If, for example, the person who requested the track was not allowed to bump it and anyone else only allowed to bump it once, a 7 or 8 minute long track would need 4 people to vote for it and a, say, 15 or 16 minute long track would need at least 8 people to vote for it. Presumably people only vote for tracks they want to hear which means that for a 15/16 minute track to get played at least 8 people would want to listen to it, and that's enough, imo, to merit it being on the stream. As I say I don't know if this is possible and it would also need the number of votes required to play rule strictly enforced as well.
Of course the most obvious, and easiest, solution to this problem is a little less selfishness and a lot more consideration for others listening to the stream by the people who request long tracks in the first place.
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Wintersun
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09/28/2008
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Originally posted by maidenrules
[...]even take out any tracks you may deem too long and masterbating so only the reasonable 4 minute tracks can be requested. on what grounds do i have to stand on??? [...]
Hmm, nice idea...especially those annoying Doom-tracks ALWAYS lasting at least 10 minutes and those pathetic efforts from Opeth should be cut down to the core.
Doom may be slow but it's still heavy, so no need for any cutting there.....
But I agree with Opeth, just cut away all the boring parts and keep the middle parts, which usually pwns. That way they won't occupy the stream for 15-17 minutes every time they play. |
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Wintersun
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09/28/2008
12:19:59
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Originally posted by Snake
The original intent of the x/z voting system for requests was to cut down on the number of excessively long songs playing on the stream. The idea was that if a request took a day to bump up the playlist to where it got ahead of the multiple number of tracks sit in the queue that are shorter, it would probably play in the evening when people were trying to sleep anyway.
So why is it, that the songs, which require 8-9 votes often get played when they only have reached 3-4 votes? It should be possible for the system not to pick the songs that are sitting in the long track queue. When they reach enough votes, they will go to the top of the ordinary queue and get played. |
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Bwana Dik
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09/28/2008
15:20:43
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Originally posted by Wintersun
So why is it, that the songs, which require 8-9 votes often get played when they only have reached 3-4 votes?
Because after a lot of the original music was lost due to severe hard drive fail, the request system was down for awhile and after it was finally restored there were less requesters around, which resulted in not enough songs getting the necessary amount of votes before the next bunch needed to be taken form the queue to play. So, the restrictions were made less severe (shorter times between requests, no need for tracks to get the full amount of votes).
Now that the queue is fattening up a bit again, perhaps the old restrictions can be reapplied, rather than purging a lot of good tracks. Especially given that I would think having a lot of new playlist adds lately is exactly one of the main reasons for the current resurgence. So to be taking a bunch of stuff off again to me seems like shooting yourself in the foot a bit. |
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Snake
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09/28/2008
20:33:38
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...what Stinky said....
In addition, when the queue is thin that usually means less people are listening. What better time to jam the station with 25 minute songs then when nobody is listening to tune out?
And yeah...I have been monitoring the queue length and was thinking maybe it is time for some adjustments. We made a few. I think they helped a couple of issues. I'll continue to monitor the situation. I don't want to change the limits until it is really needed. |
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Snake
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09/28/2008
20:43:01
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Originally posted by Thor Bear
Why do people always hint that it's ok to leave bands out because of "gaynes" or because it's power metal?
That was supposed to be a rhetorical question, right?
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I know it's not the most loved genre here, but I refuse to be regarded as a stepchild in my own family.
 Do you really feel that way? That people here regard you as a stepchild in the SnakeNet family? I really can't believe you are serious. You've been around here long enough. You know the score. Don't get all emo on us.
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Some bands don't fit the stream and that's understandable and fine, but please don't make it a contest of which power metal bands to leave out... I know you like power metal as well Sorti, so it's nothing personal.
I like some power metal too. I have never suggested purging power metal...even the really gay stuff. When I ran the contests to vote bands off the request list, I even rigged it so we didn't end up with all power metal bands in the finals.
Yeah...I think Skyclad sucks. Yeah...I really hate gay ass raping hobbit metal. But you look at the big picture and even crap like the new Cynic CD which I hate is still being added.
Yeah...it is my station and my final decision, but I never forget that this is not my personal playlist. Look at the top of the page on the right. We may never all agree, but this is still a place for all metalheads. There is more that binds us then separates us. |
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Tenebris
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10/08/2008
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| Let's not forget Queens of the stone age...crap over crap |
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10/09/2008
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Originally posted by Tenebris
Let's not forget Queens of the stone age...crap over crap
I just requested 'Another Love Song'
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just to see if it's a crap or not.
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and to be sure that I'm sure, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to request the entire album... just in case of doubts
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Thor Bear
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10/09/2008
02:41:14
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Originally posted by Snake
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Originally posted by Thor Bear
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I know it's not the most loved genre here, but I refuse to be regarded as a stepchild in my own family.
Do you really feel that way? That people here regard you as a stepchild in the SnakeNet family? I really can't believe you are serious. You've been around here long enough. You know the score. Don't get all emo on us.
Sometimes I do, but not generally. I really really like Snakenet, and I doubt I will leave the site before it leaves this world. I do however tend to take things rather personal. 
It's just that I love to share my passion - and it's difficult when everybody is calling it "gay". But ok - if you look at my top ten request, yuo'll se that only about two of the bands are genuine power metal. So I'm ok. |
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Snake
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10/09/2008
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| Well I think its pretty sad that you feel that way, Thor Bear...especially since you have so many friends on SnakeNet. But I guess where we differ is that I don't take things personal when people don't like the bands I do and would laugh at anyone that thought they were gay. |
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Thor Bear
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10/09/2008
16:02:11
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Originally posted by Snake
Well I think its pretty sad that you feel that way, Thor Bear...especially since you have so many friends on SnakeNet. But I guess where we differ is that I don't take things personal when people don't like the bands I do and would laugh at anyone that thought they were gay.
It's not that I think people don' like ME, when they don't like the music I like. It's just that it's great to have someone with whome to share your passion. Sometimes I just feel "hm...ok" - but not offended as such. It has nothing to do with lack of friendship, since I have never experienced that here. |
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